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06 November 2009 @ 02:19 pm
historical question...  
How long would it take to travel from London to Croatia in the 19th century - assuming they travel overland by train? I only need a believable rough approximate LOL
 
 
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Trialiatrialia on November 6th, 2009 03:36 am (UTC)
Hee. Someone's writing Nikola!fic again :D

Probably your best place to find out is little_details, afraid I'm not sure. *squishes*
ellymelly: youngloveellymelly on November 6th, 2009 03:56 am (UTC)
*looks about suspiciously*
Trialiatrialia on November 6th, 2009 03:59 am (UTC)
*giggles* You, of course. ;) BTW, fancy taking a quick look at my first Sanctuary ficlet please, hon? It's 250 words of sort-of one-sided John/Helen set after EoN, and I'm shaky on characterisation since I'm new to the characters... *squish*

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kat_rowekat_rowe on November 6th, 2009 03:37 am (UTC)
it's 831(and change) miles between London and Zagreb (the capital of croatia) ... in the 1860s, it took 7 days to travel by rail from the East Coast of the US to the west coast (3,786 miles and change)

so 540 miles and change a day... even taking into account the steamer ride across the English channel, 2-3 days is completely reasonable
ellymelly: spin the bottle?ellymelly on November 6th, 2009 03:57 am (UTC)
THANK YOU :D :D :D
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Major Fischerfreifraufischer on November 6th, 2009 03:43 am (UTC)
Assuming the mid-19th century, and adding in time to cross the channel... 6 days minimum. 8 days is pretty likely given the boarders involved.
ellymelly: damn your logicellymelly on November 6th, 2009 03:57 am (UTC)
THANK YOU SO MUCH
Major Fischerfreifraufischer on November 6th, 2009 04:02 am (UTC)
The problem with strict calculation of the milage is that a train route is very much not a straight line, and there is a minimum of one steamer crossing and at least three and likely more than three countries involved, many not operating with the same standard gage rail. There is crossing the borders and depending on what point in the 19th century you are talking about you could be crossing five or six german states and a number of Austrian provinces. Neither the Austrians or the German states were all that friendly to travelers.
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ellymelly: blackboards and scienceellymelly on November 6th, 2009 03:58 am (UTC)
I'm not being helpful, am I? more helpful than me I assure you. i spent ages trying to google it but i just don't know enough about a) 19thC transport or b) Europe LOL!
mikasteelelell: Nikola_Chairoxbastetxo on November 6th, 2009 03:53 am (UTC)
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Hmm..You'd need to take a train from London to Dover.


South Eastern and Chatham Railway (SE&CR) was a working amalgamation of two neighbouring rival railways, the South Eastern Railway (SER) and London, Chatham and Dover Railway (LC&DR), that operated services between London and Southeast England. Between 1899 and 1923 the SE&CR had an effective monopoly of the railway service in Kent, and several of the main Channel ports for ferries to France and Belgium.

"It was not until 1867 that the direct railway line to Calais was opened down to Boulogne, joining the existing route to Paris. From that time, the Dover – Calais route, being four miles shorter, became more popular.

The introduction of larger steamers had previously exposed problems at Folkestone Harbour and all services were subject to tidal conditions. To counter this, a new low water pier was completed in September 1861, although this was some distance from the Harbour station, the original South Pier was still preferred for the majority of sailings.

Services were reduced during the Franco Prussian war of 1870-71 but this was followed by a tremendous upsurge in traffic which saw the railway lines at the harbour extended towards the New Pier after 1876. The pier itself was lengthened between 1881-83 resulting in the virtual end of the services from the old South Pier.

Boulogne too accepted the challenge of increased trade and in 1878 the present deep water berths were constructed on the Quai Chanzy. The railway lines were also extended to the site of the Gare Maritime and for the first time, the trains were able to pull-up alongside the steamers.

London to Paris (via Folkestone-Boulogne) was reduced to 8 hours in 1884 and two years later all tidal services ceased and proper, fixed timetables were able to be introduced. A 7 hours 30 minutes through journey became possible in 1891."

A Steam ferry would run about the same time as a diesel today...."•P&O Ferries operate up to 25 daily crossings from Dover to Calais in France, with an approximate crossing time of 70 minutes." The main issue with the ferries would be how uncomfortable the sea motion was in regard to characters susceptible to sea-sickness.

From Calais to Paris then they would pick up "the Orient Express".

On June 5, 1883 the first 'Express d'Orient' left Paris for Vienna. Vienna remained the terminus until October 4, 1883. The train was officially renamed Orient Express in 1891.

The original route, which first ran on October 4, 1883, was from Paris, Gare de l'Est, to Giurgiu in Romania via Munich and Vienna. At Giurgiu, passengers were ferried across the Danube to Rousse in Bulgaria to pick up another train to Varna, from where they completed their journey to Istanbul by ferry. In 1885, another route began operations, this time reaching Istanbul via rail from Vienna to Belgrade and Niš, carriage to Plovdiv and rail again to Istanbul.

The first first run of the train was in 1882.

"Train Eclair de luxe (the 'test' train)
Georges Nagelmackers invited guests to a railway trip of 2,000 kilometres (1,200 mi) on his 'Train Eclair de luxe' (lightning luxury train). The train left Paris (Gare de Strasbourg) on Tuesday, October 10, 1882, just after 18:30 and arrived in Vienna the next day at 23:20. The return trip left Vienna on Friday, October 13, 1882, at 16:40 and as planned entered Paris (Gare de Strasbourg) at 20:00 on Saturday October 14, 1882.

The train was composed of: 1. Baggage car, 2. Sleeping coach with 16 beds (with bogies), 3. Sleeping coach with 14 beds (3 axles), 4. Restaurant coach (nr. 107), 5. Sleeping coach with 14 beds (3 axles), 6. Sleeping coach with 14 beds (3 axles), 7. Baggage car (complete 101 ton). The first menu on board (October 10, 1882): oysters, soup with Italian pasta, turbot with green sauce, chicken ‘à la chasseur’, fillet of beef with ‘château’ potatoes, ‘chaud-froid’ of Game animals, lettuce, chocolate pudding, buffet of desserts."


rhyselle helped me in the English geography to get started. :-D She lived there for a couple years.

Can you see why I keep getting bogged down in research with my fic????

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ellymelly: but you LOVE me?ellymelly on November 6th, 2009 04:01 am (UTC)
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HOLY FRAKKING CYLONS thank you so much for finding all of this for me. *is indebted to you* I hadn't even really considered the changes in rail lines and the crossing of borders. I also better look up what the trains themselves were like instead of just guessing blindly lmao. i was thinking of putting the trip (and they haven't arrived quite yet) somewhere between 1 and 2 weeks.

and YES i totally understand getting bogged down in research for fics. i swear i've read about 8 novels now for this fanfic.
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jacksrubberduck: dork - dork!verse sam sg-1jacksrubberduck on November 6th, 2009 10:48 am (UTC)
Can I just say TRAINS because omg my Dad and my sister are a wee bit obsessed with the steam variety. To the point of my sister working on 'the smallest public railway in the world'.

My family are nuts.

This was so not helpful in any way.

:)
ellymelly: never speak of this fanficellymelly on November 6th, 2009 10:53 am (UTC)
LMFAO random comment is utter win LOL

it's like i hit a keyword button or something!

the smallest public railway???
jacksrubberduck: I <3 TEAjacksrubberduck on November 6th, 2009 12:29 pm (UTC)
Sometimes I just can't help myself!

It's not actually the smallest anymore it lost that title. :(
The Romney, Hythe and Dymchurch Railway, it's the biggest dorkiest train set you've ever seen.
Real fully working steam locos on a 15 inch gauge (that's the distance between the rails and the engines come up to about shoulder height) that runs for just over 13 miles along the Kent coast.
Counts as a main line of sorts because it runs a school service year round.

My sister runs the control signal box but wants to one day learn to drive an engine.