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22 March 2009 @ 09:06 am
what did we learn from the bsg final?  
It's important to have a plan. Bear McCreary had a plan - and I think that he was the only one.

The truth is, bsg squandered its final season. The majority of the episodes leading up to the final were slow - painfully so when you see them in marathon form. They spent too much time doing absolutely nothing when they should have been pushing boundaries with edgy script writing like they were in seasons 1 - 3.

It didn't go ANYWHERE. not really. not honestly. all the time in the early seasons spent with destiny of humanity and survival and pythia it was all leading somewhere but the writing fell apart. because they never had a plan, they got sidetracked literally burnt it all and said 'stuff it!' which is a betrayle of all the went before. i would have much rathered that pan out at the end to show a thriving city of humanity. ie, they'd landed on a planet with a surviving colony of humans from the original colony. that, maybe, would have been cool.

the science at the end was really bad. appaullingly bad. it took away from the validity of the whole plot. seriously. don't do it. if you don't know what to do with your plot, for the SAKE OF THE UNIVERSE don't try to explain it with fudge.

Laura dying? we knew it was going to happen. i didn't want her to die of cancer. as i said before, i would rather she fall out of a raptor, or ride colonial one into the sun with adama on his battlestar. lol

killing cavil and leoban - W T F after so much time, destiny whatever, they don't really get screen time. their stories were important too.

the only time i really cared, or saw glimmers of the show that had been, where when the music welled up and we went back to baltar/capricaSix on Caprica or when at least the opera house vision came true - mind you, they didn't know how to finish that one either.

KosmikDawg: [tv] bsg_roslinNCkosmikdawg on March 21st, 2009 07:49 pm (UTC)
I half expected both Adama and Roslin to die in CIC when all the shooting started. That not having happened I think the episode should have ended with Adama on the hilltop next to the cairn....fade to black...
ellymelly: hypothetically you dieellymelly on March 22nd, 2009 12:07 am (UTC)

'fade to black'

i honestly expected it to be a more sinister end.
KosmikDawg: [tv] bsg_adamakosmikdawg on March 25th, 2009 06:21 pm (UTC)
WHA?!? You don't like my film terms?!? :)

Given what Eddie kept saying in the months prior to the finale, I was rather surprised that there was anyone left. I thought it would be more sinister also.
ellymelly: this document explodes!ellymelly on March 25th, 2009 09:52 pm (UTC)
i love your film terms. i just thought that it would be more, 'fade to large explosion as fleet is destroyed'
KosmikDawg: [tv] bsg_Adama&RoslinNCkosmikdawg on March 28th, 2009 11:15 am (UTC)
hee...that would have been creat.

*earth shattering KA-BOOM!!*
datsue: AR-Viribusdatsue on March 21st, 2009 07:58 pm (UTC)
I guess, many feel this way...to a point, so do I....

I agree with you, there were quite a few episodes in 4.0 and 4.5 that were sub-standard...and after the mutiny episodes quite a lot of screen time was wasted. I also agree that quite a few questions were not answered or badly answered. And I'm torn between bawling my eyes out at the way the death scene was handled and thinking that I'm disappointed, because it wasn't a boom and therefore happened at all...

Still...I think, BSG's main problem this season was the huge expectations everybody had. They had set an incredibly high standard in terms of writing, producing and acting and quite often I think there was simply no way they could live up to it. Yes, they also lost quite a bit in terms of writing prowess and production genius (blatantly obvious in 4.5)....but still...there was no way they could make it right for everybody.

It is a disappointment - true - but I guess there was absolutely no way that it could have been different...
ellymelly: presidential necklineellymelly on March 21st, 2009 08:06 pm (UTC)
I guess I just wanted to see the president of the colonies standing in her usual, 'i dare you gods, defy me' mode at the end. maybe that's what it all boils down to lol
datsue: AR- the only peopledatsue on March 21st, 2009 08:39 pm (UTC)
I understand what you mean...her slipping away like this....*starts bawling again*

Wow...this is going to take a while...
Speak softly and carry a rapier wit.: Xena - EHcannibalcake on March 21st, 2009 08:47 pm (UTC)
ellymelly: winfailellymelly on March 22nd, 2009 12:07 am (UTC)
not total. but close
CeNedraWood: tv : battlestar galactica : chiefcenedrawood on March 21st, 2009 08:55 pm (UTC)
i dont completely disagree with you, but i think a lot of what happened in the last half of this season is that (like you said) we expected so much. i dont think they could have done anything differently. with only a few episodes to try and explain everything, they couldnt do much more than what they did. there were a few things that weren't completely thought through (the Daniel plot for example), but then again there are always certain things that never get followed through with at the end of a series.

i didnt feel like much changed through the season from the previous seasons, i just felt like they had to explain a lot in a little bit of time. and it doesnt help that they were promised longer episodes, then that was revoked and they had to cut a lot of stuff out.

i think this 2 hour special "the plan" in the fall will actually help answer a lot of the questions that are still unanswered, at least that's my hope.

i thought they did a fairly good job with the opera house vision, and with the kara plot. i thought a lot of things were particularly well done at the end of that episode. granted, i could have done without RDMs cameo, but he has a point. if this were really the past, are we damned to repeat it? i think he's just making a statement that anyone could have gotten out of this show.

okay. i'm done. :)

ellymelly: confirm purchaseellymelly on March 22nd, 2009 07:34 am (UTC)
I don't know - i think that it was fair to expect a lot from them. they set the audience up to believe it, and not to follow through is more a lack of the writer's direction than anything. they really should have sat down earlier and gone, 'right, these are our important plot lines from the first series. we must give these closure.'

i didn't know that there was another episode called, 'the plan' i really hope that you're right and they use it to answer questions. :)

the opera house was cool, and i didn't mind what they did with kara :D
CeNedraWoodcenedrawood on March 22nd, 2009 01:50 pm (UTC)
yeah, at the end of the finale, they said "coming this fall" and it's the story from the cylon perspective and it's called "the plan", so i'm hoping it'll answer some questions.

it is fair to expect a lot out of them, but they only had so much time. and i dont know, i was satisfied with the way they ended things. i have a lot of people on my friends list who werent and a lot who were. i guess it just depends on the person.
sidhe1sidhe1 on March 21st, 2009 10:55 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I liked the ep for the most part. But it did have its problems. I definitely agree that season 4 pretty much sucked. I didn't even watch all the eps because they were so boring. I miss season 1 and 2 action soooo much.

Bear McCreary was definitely the one thing (actors excepted) that never failed to come through. I adore his music.
ellymelly: gets electedellymelly on March 22nd, 2009 07:29 am (UTC)
lol, i haven't seen all of them either. Bear McCreary - i wish they'd used him more in that final season. OMGZ
scratch_ar: god gay sexscratch_ar on March 22nd, 2009 02:21 am (UTC)
hey dude! and, btw? completely agree.

S4 was a complete disappointment - from the corny AR love declarations and Laura's: "I think you love her (galactica) more than you love me" comment [I mean COME ON! That was such an anti-Laura line it's not funny!] to Starbuck's angel revelation - I'm sorry did I miss the whole, 'you're the harbringer of death and will lead them all to their end' resolution in between the fleet miraculously landing on the real Earth due to Bob Dylan's musicality? And the Cavil and Leoban deal was just unfair. They were built up and up throughout the whole series as serious players in the general mythology of the story just to be the victims of a 2000 year old husband's rage over the murder of his apparently adulterous wife that, after her funeral, he admitted he'd never loved anyway?! FFS.

I tried (and tried and tried and tried) to love this show as much as I did in seasons 1-3 (even S3 had some serious holes, tho) but I couldn't keep the faith. They ruined what could have potentially been one of the best television series' of all time. And that makes me sad.

As to Laura's part in the 2hr finale? Hah. Triage nurse? SERIOUSLY? Who, apparently, did nothing accept wander about high as a kite sporting the blood of some innocent across her face. Her story wasn't bookended, it faded. And WHY did we need to flash back to her pre-apocalyptic life? WHY was it important to see that screwing a former student (who was obviously a jock lol) and finding little but great sex in it forced her hand to join Adar's campaign.....AND LATER SCREW THE SHIT OUT OF HIM, TOO? Why was that needed? (Anymore than the ridiculous fountain scene where she wanders into the filthy water in her nightie IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY and sits underneath the spray. Symbolic, perhaps? Probably. Necessary? HELL NO. Anymore than learning her family was wiped out. Nobody cared, it was hollow, not sad. It was crap. Did she EVER talk about that to ANYone before the finale? No. In fact, I saw it but I still don't believe it.)

I'm in danger of carrying on for hours here so I'll stop now. Thanks, tho, for posting how crap the finale was...makes me feel not so much of a turncoat lol. At the end of the day I love this series...but it finished at the end of season three for me.
ellymelly: wrongellymelly on March 22nd, 2009 07:45 am (UTC)

in answer to your post, i agree. it really felt like the bsg we loved ended at season 3. i miss kick ass laura. no way would she lie down and die like that. i always felt that she was mildly an evil person - seriously, some of the things that she's done - that part of her character was completely ignored at the end there and that disappointed me. also, with her flashbacks, about the only thing i wanted to see was her and adar - how *that* happened. not some random.

i agree about the whole, triage nurse thing. if she was that pumped full of drugs she should have taken down a centurion. hey, if baltar can do it then hyped up president can do too. and yes, that water scene was RANDOM and WEIRD and not at all moving.
scratch_arscratch_ar on March 23rd, 2009 05:13 am (UTC)
Haven't been around much lately lol...started film school about a month ago and moved closer into the city...only to have my job fall through (stupid economic crisis) and have to move back home a few days ago. So meh.

How about you? Whatchu been up to?
ellymelly: are you gameellymelly on March 23rd, 2009 06:42 am (UTC)
nothing remotely interesting but do you want to catch up? it's been a while. we can moan to each other about how much life sucks over coffee lol :D i'm going to be down around sydney early may?
scratch_arscratch_ar on March 23rd, 2009 11:47 am (UTC)
Absolumo! I could do with the moan and it's always done better over coffee : ) I'll email you my mobile number (changed phones a few months ago) 'cause I'm not really sure how long I'm going to have regular net access :(

How was South America, btw?
ellymelly: how many times do i have to say this?ellymelly on March 23rd, 2009 07:32 pm (UTC)

i can include those stories in the coffee convo :D
Lemon: Lauralemon_tree_x on March 22nd, 2009 05:31 pm (UTC)
*waves to Australia*

I started to enjoy BSG (again) a couple of months ago, when I stopped looking for any logic in the script. Since then it was totally enjoyable to watch.

And so was the last ep.

Beautifully filmed, and a nice farewell for the characters. But please don't start discussing the story. That would destroy everything.

That life is easier when you think less *lol*
ellymelly: how many times do i have to say this?ellymelly on March 23rd, 2009 08:20 am (UTC)
lol, bsg always encouraged discussion of its plot and ideology so i thought that it was fair game :D but you're quite right, you have to switch off your logic centre to watch season 4